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labia reduction surgery
  • Vote Up1Vote Down sgtbertsgtbert
    270.16 Karma Points [?]Message sgtbertPosts: 1,057Senior Member

    I cannot believe women do that .Have you ever heard a man say, "My balls are too big and I need Reduction Surgery"... NO WAY! That is not normal .

     

    I LOVE BIG LABIA MINORA and I love to perform cunnilingus!!!

    The bigger the lips, the more enjoyable the cunnilingus is.

    It leaves you with more to work with if a woman has thicker and protruding lips.

    That is so wrong for a woman to think she would look better and more attractive with smaller or even no labia minora.

    I am sad for women that have had reduction surgery :- { 

    Post edited by Eva at 2012-06-06 11:58:32
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  • Vote Up2Vote Down AgathaAgatha
    41.21 Karma Points [?]Message AgathaPosts: 188Member
    Nothing can compare to our own natural beauty and uniqueness. I love my lips and would never want to change them. Today I decided to wear jeans, which I never wear, usually skirts and dresses and now I remember why. They rubbed and chaffed and my lips felt very sore. Luckily it was only for a few hours and I will remember not to wear them again. It should have been obvious really because my lips are sensitive to any sort of touch- but usually only in a good way for my pleasure. When they are touched, stroked, kissed and licked the feeling is just amazing and I wouldn't want to change those fantastic sensations ever because they are just so fantastic.

    I wonder what the change in sensitivity is like after labia surgery. (shiver) I would never want to lose any sensation there as it provides so much pleasure.
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  • Vote Up1Vote Down AgathaAgatha
    41.21 Karma Points [?]Message AgathaPosts: 188Member
    I agree with @eva here (not completely :) as a surgeon in the uk I am yet to meet one that is money hungry but don't doubt that they do exist).

    I actually think porn is quite good a representating all types of shape and size - labia included, except things like playboy but I don't really class that as porn (not the type I like anyway). @eva is totally on the money about various comments on various sites. Some of them are truly hateful referring to women with full lips as " a pro", "well used", "disgusting" "needs surgery ASAP", "guts hanging out" - these are just some of the comments i have seen in the last few days. Once you get the idea in you head that you are "disgusting" and that is what men think of your body it becomes difficult to think otherwise. To be honest I can't really make any sense of these type of comments. Any man with any sort of experience with women knows that full lips are not uncommon and are completely gorgeous. So I am not sure why anybody would say such things about completely normal and beautiful labia. Is it misogyny, lack of experience, moronic behaviour or pure trolling - which is so easy to do whilst defending your right to freedom of speech yet hiding behind anonymity?

    All various shape and sized of labia are beautiful to me as that is exactly as it should be from woman to woman. We should be celebrating our uniqueness.

    I want to make another point. Those that know me well on this site may well start rolling their eyes and thinking I sound like a broken record, but I think it is important. Labia reduction (of the inner labia) is one type of surgery, but generally the one that gets mentioned. We rarely discuss labia majora augmentation which is also becoming more common where fat is injected to the outer lips. This is either done by artificial fillers or fat taken from the body (usually knees). It is often done together with labia reduction surgery or on its own. The very fact that artificial fillers can be injected without invasive surgery - expect to see it at the beauticians some time soon. Do we feel as strongly about this type of labia manipulation/mutilation?
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  • Vote Up1Vote Down LabiaLoverLabiaLover
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    @Agatha

    Wow -- I didn't even know that type of procedure existed.

    Given that you suggested it might show up at beauty parlors soon, I guess it's likely considered an "elective/cosmetic" procedure then??

    The way you've described it, it sounds like women would opt for this type of procedure in the ever-illusive quest to hide their inner labia.

    Call me crazy, but I hardly suspect this type of procedure is worth it, especially since women will undoubtedly pop-up offering to perform the procedure for lower cost (like the many who offer illegal botox injections and leave the unsuspecting patient scarred), which will inevitably cause many women to end up with deformed labia all in the hopes of trying to reduce the size of their inner labia.  Total shame. . . =((
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  • Vote Up1Vote Down mrmarquismrmarquis
    79.92 Karma Points [?]Message mrmarquisPosts: 828Senior Member
    Agatha and Eva are on the money here.  As to Agatha's question regarding labia majora augmentation, I frankly look at it in the same light as labia reduction.  There are so many other methods of enlarging labia manually, and without surgery or injections, that it just seems ridiculous to me.  Of course, there's always the chance of it coming out looking quite strange, especially if Agatha is correct about it becoming available in beauty salons without proper medical supervision.  As it is, far too many things are permitted outside the medical arena, and far too many mistakes, including disforming infections are the result.
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  • Vote Up1Vote Down tempest_drivertempest_driver
    107.64 Karma Points [?]Message tempest_driverPosts: 670Senior Member

    I want to echo an earlier comment @agatha, Wow, I didn't even know such a procedure exists. And I am clearly delighted that it does. 

    No I do not consider this to be genital mutilation, but rather modification. and as I've stated elsewhere, this is only partially due to my own preferences, but rather where I draw the line between the two. 

    Whereas mutilation is often found in parts of the world performed under violence and force, often under unsanitary conditions, and is usually permanent. Modification is almost exclusively an elective procedure, performed under clean, safe conditions, is accompanied by comparatively less painful conditions, ans is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less permanent.

    we're all familiar with all the aspects of FGM so I don't need to remind anyone of this. whereas I suspect that labial augmentation is a form of collagen injection. which is not nearly as permanent as some of us would like, and since it's done in a clinic, I'd suspect that there's at least a local applied.

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  • Vote Up1Vote Down AgathaAgatha
    41.21 Karma Points [?]Message AgathaPosts: 188Member
    @tempest_driver - I am very sad to hear you say this. Very sad indeed. As the pip breast implant scandal in europe has proved - goodness knows what rubbish can be put inside a women's body (if an artificial filler), fat injection is permanent. Sometimes it takes years to realise the risks, To me this is also genital mutilation as is labia reduction. Manipulation (as classified by the un) is stretching. Having worked in some African countries where it is practised it is not as harmless as some may think in my mind. (very different to what we may do)

    Of course you are entitled to your opinion but I am also entitled to think that anyone who is delighted that a procedure with all the associated risks that can permanently change the shape of labia, on a site which encourages women to be happy and love their bodies is very short sighted indeed and is at odds with the spirit of the site. To me this is no different to someone supporting labia reduction because they personally prefer smaller lips. To me I think all labia, as nature intended are beautiful.
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  • Vote Up1Vote Down LabiaLoverLabiaLover
    410.22 Karma Points [?]Message LabiaLoverPosts: 2,009Site Administrator
    @tempest_driver: I see your point in the idea of it all.

    My only concern is like @Agatha has pointed out, I think it leaves an area open for "abuse" in that there will be people who simply intend to earn a profit from the fact that many women will feel at odds about their labia, and may perhaps want to augment their lips in some way in order to change their appearance because of their insecurities about their labia.

    I mean naturally, like you, I imagine there will be women who will do it strictly for the idea of it (like a clit or labia piercing for example), but I suspect that the vast majority of women will be unaware of the possible consequences/risks that can arise from it as Agatha pointed out.

    My position is I think that the labia never have to be changed and that they are just right the way that they are if I'm honest -- sure you have women who will want to stretch their labia (massaging or manipulation for example) to make them longer, and then you have women who already have long labia and are ashamed of them.  Then you have woman who have puffy labia, thick labia, small labia, etc. who all feel odd about them.

    I personally believe it is this uniqueness that makes them all sexy -- because the woman didn't have to do anything to make them that way, instead they are already the way that they are; it gives me something to look forward to when I remove the panties or thong of a woman I'm about to lick because I can never know what her labia will look like. :D

    If we were suddenly thrust into a society where women were having cosmetic/elective surgery to have their labia all look the same, that would be the equivalent to me of all women having breast implants -- yeah, they're nice the first few times you see them on a few different women, but after awhile you get tired of seeing them and prefer the natural ones. ;)
    Post edited by LabiaLover at 2012-06-06 10:00:08
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  • Vote Up1Vote Down AgathaAgatha
    41.21 Karma Points [?]Message AgathaPosts: 188Member
    @labialover - I agree with you completely here. As you know being a dr I see first hand how vulnerable young women are to this type of thing. I don't know if it's lack of education, lack of self esteem, hearing comments, feeling different etc - I don't know, but so many don't feel normal and think they look ugly and disgusting (their
    words). To be honest it's heartbreaking. The process for labia surgery here (although it does vary) is that they get referred by the family dr. This is where it gets complicated. If there is an obvious problem (torn labia - sometimes they split) it is more clear to recommend surgery. But it is more difficult when someone says they cause pain. I can't very well not refer them even if I think they are just saying that to get referred. Then again is it wrong to change something if you are unhappy with your appearance. Is it right to deny that right if the result is to make someone happy and confident. But very rarely is there something medically wrong and people can get fixated on poor body image. None of us are perfect (or all of us are perfect). These industries are ruthless and preying on insecurities and we do not know about long term risk yet. If things go wrong these clinics could not care. Do you know about the pip breast implant scandal? 47,000 British women were affected. More in France. All the women were fitted with silicone implants containing industrial grade chemicals never intended for medical use. Most had them done privately but the private clinics have said they can't do anything (and appear not to be insured). The nhs had said they will remove them (as there could be a serious risk if they leak) but they cannot afford to pay for new implants. The company that made the implants has gone out of business so no chance of getting refunds there.
    Post edited by Agatha at 2012-06-06 10:53:16
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  • Vote Up1Vote Down sgtbertsgtbert
    270.16 Karma Points [?]Message sgtbertPosts: 1,057Senior Member

    For any woman reading this .

    I bet somebody loves you just the way you are .

    It you get something changed , you might miss out on some body who loves you just the way you are .

    Please Please Please think twice , do not through away or disguard the blessings you have , just because some load mouth , one out of houndresd said something .

    What if one man said "all men like Green skin" .

    What if a TV show or a add in the paper said "men like Green skin" .

    Do not do it !!! Some body loves You just the way you are .

    Look for people that love You the way you are .

    sgtbert :-}

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  • Vote Up1Vote Down tempest_drivertempest_driver
    107.64 Karma Points [?]Message tempest_driverPosts: 670Senior Member

    Well, @agatha, I'm certainly sorry to be a disappointment to you, but not having your fountain of life experiences to draw from, and having no knowledge of the PIP scandal as it has not gotten any press here in the states i have not had the opportunity to form the same opinions as you.

    I do recognize that we have to be very vigilant of what we put into our bodies, whether it be through consumption or by implantation. there is definitely the possibility for abuse, especially as something grows in popularity. 

    My opinions on where modification ends and mutilation begins have remained unchanged for as long as I have had such opinions, and I doubt they'll change any time soon.

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  • Vote Up1Vote Down AgathaAgatha
    41.21 Karma Points [?]Message AgathaPosts: 188Member
    @tempest_driver - I am not at all disappointed in you. Not in anyway. I always respect others decisions, even if they are those I don't share. It is wise to hear a different point of view and debate and discussion is important. I don't think there are clear right and wrongs more a line drawn in the sand but it is complicated as to where the line is drawn. I am in pretty much agreement with you on where mutilation begins. Even so I think this can be pretty complex. I see enough botched male circumcisions to know that even these are not without risk (and I am not anti this at all as my mother is Jewish)...but that's a completely different topic.
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  • Vote Up1Vote Down sgtbertsgtbert
    270.16 Karma Points [?]Message sgtbertPosts: 1,057Senior Member

    Hi Agatha !!!

    How did they mess up circumcision ???

    I am not circumcised & I do not think I wont to be .

    I am wondering what do most wemon think about circumcision , for or against it ???

    I am a very clean person & I usualy take two showers a day , one before work & one after work .

    If most wemon like circumcision , I am not going to do it unless God telles me to .

    Thank You Agatha , I am thankfull we have a doctor with us !!!

    Have a Excellent Day !!!

    sgtbert :-}

  • Vote Up1Vote Down AgathaAgatha
    41.21 Karma Points [?]Message AgathaPosts: 188Member
    @sgtbert The problem is that being a dr I tend to be more aware of the risks as I usually see things when they are wrong and I have to fix them. When in reality complications are unusual and rare. I don't want to go off topic too much here and I am sure I saw a previous thread that discussed male circumcision. I will try and find it and if I am right add my comments there.
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  • Vote Up1Vote Down AgathaAgatha
    41.21 Karma Points [?]Message AgathaPosts: 188Member
    I was going to post in the "sex as nature intended it" thread as it seemed more relevant and makes some good points but that thread is now closed.  

    As was mentioned in the other thread, circumcision is not so common here in the UK.  The nhs (national health service) only really carries them out for medical reasons although they are often done for religious reasons. Bleeding and infection are common problems, more serious complications include a decrease in sensation, damage to the urethra, septicaemia or accidental amputation of the head (very rare I am assured). The cases I have seen were the removal of too little of too much foreskin, and formation of abnormal scar tissue. I have seen enough of them to know that complication do occur, but it is a generally a straightforward procedure myself.

    Anyone that decides that their son should be circumcised, or not, is doing what they think best.  I am not religious so for me I wouldn't as I don't see any benefit. As a surgeon, for any procedure (but especially on a baby who cannot give their consent) we have to decide if a successful procedure would benefit the patient. So if it was for my child (omitting anything medical) I wouldn't as I can't see any reason for it. This is only my personal view.

    I have had partners who are circumcised and not.  It makes no difference to me at all.  Part of the fun of being intimate with a new partner is the joy of discovering what they look like.  The length, girth, cut/uncut, shaved etc.  It all adds to the fun.  




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  • Vote Up1Vote Down LabiaLoverLabiaLover
    410.22 Karma Points [?]Message LabiaLoverPosts: 2,009Site Administrator
    Agatha said:

    So if it was for my child (omitting anything medical) I wouldn't as I can't see any reason for it. This is only my personal view.


    I have had partners who are circumcised and not.  It makes no difference to me at all.  Part of the fun of being intimate with a new partner is the joy of discovering what they look like.  The length, girth, cut/uncut, shaved etc.  It all adds to the fun.  






    ** I agree wholeheartedly.  I don't see any point in doing it.  I am uncut myself and if anything, most women point out to me how rare it is for them to come across an uncut man and how they actually enjoy seeing it from time to time.  Most like to roll my skin back and lick the head, and base of my cock, which I completely enjoy. :P

    I love how you made a point of saying that you enjoy finding out what your sexual partners look like, length, girth, cut/uncut, etc -- I must be your male counterpart, because this is *EXACTLY* what I look forward to when I remove a woman's panties/thong myself or when she removes them.  I'm such a pussy fiend that I even look forward to the scent!!  I love to find out how a woman smells!  Some smell purely like a pussy, while others smell of other scents (typically because they're panties/thongs have the scent of laundry detergent on them or dryer sheets or something).

    There is nothing, and I do mean *NOTHING* in this world that turns me on more than the scent of a woman's pussy. . .lord knows I have been in heated debates with women, and as soon as she removes her panties, my brain turns into slush, and I can no longer concentrate or focus on anything else except putting my face between her legs and eventually my cock.  Much like a homing beacon.  My girlfriend often uses this to her advantage when we sometimes have heated debates.

    If I were in a situation where I had to choose between food or pussy, I'd starve to death and enjoy the happiest death known to man. :D

    Honestly. . .in the same situation with water versus pussy, I guess I'd have to really work on making her wet so that I don't die of thirst, because I'd give up water before I give up pussy. . .LOL!

    Can you all tell how much I love pussy?? =P~

    More than the pussy is the women attached to them. . .the personality, the beautiful faces, the beautiful agonies their faces display as I make them orgasm, the breathing a woman does, and her pleasured moans, as well as her warm legs wrapped around my head, and her body and hips moving in rhythm as I lick her pussy -- there is literally nothing on this planet I wouldn't give up for pussy. :X

    I think pussy is the cure for all man's personality problems, wars, etc.  But that's just me. :-?
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